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Post by Subspace on Feb 15, 2007 10:32:21 GMT -5
Whenever Jeannie II appears, she usually wreaks havoc and leaves behind a mess of chaos for Tony, Jeannie, and Roger. She treats Tony and Jeannie badly, but is she truly evil? Supposedly, all of her actions are motivated by her wanting Tony to be her Master - she just goes about it in a bad way. But does she really want to obey Tony if he became her Master? Or would she try to become the Master in that relationship, perhaps using techniques from Tales in the Arabian Nights (the book Jeannie read in How to Be a Genie in Ten Easy Lessons, which featured techniques developed by the Blue Djinn on how to torture one's Master), and basically keep Tony around as a pet?
What does Jeannie II really think? What does she really want? Let's analyze what makes her tick in this thread!
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 15, 2007 21:45:24 GMT -5
Oh boy, tough thread! I don't know it's hard for me to analyze Jeannie II because they never really gave that character a chance to develop... she basically served the purpose of as you said, wreaking havoc, but then getting caught and going back to her Master until the next time she would create a whole new problem.
Judging by the 3rd part of the "safe episode", she most certainly wants to make Tony HER slave, and maybe call him "Master" but she in fact would be completely controlling of Tony and Tony would have no choice or no say. In fact, I can see her doing the tricks that are mentioned in "How to be a Genie in Ten Easy Lessons". And she even made Tony her "pet" by putting him in a birdcage... hee hee.
That said, I wouldn't call her 100% evil... yes she has evil tendencies, but I think she does have SOME good inside of her somewhere... after all if you're Jeannie's sister some of her charm and kindness has to rub off on you... how couldn't it?
But I think she is bitter because she has an old master and is technically not allowed to have a lot of fun, and to her Tony represents "hip", the 1960's, someone she can control and have fun with. But as you said, she just has a very unconventional way of going about it... to say the least! hee hee...
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Post by Subspace on Feb 16, 2007 12:03:26 GMT -5
Oh boy, tough thread! I don't know it's hard for me to analyze Jeannie II because they never really gave that character a chance to develop... she basically served the purpose of as you said, wreaking havoc, but then getting caught and going back to her Master until the next time she would create a whole new problem. Yeah. I guess you're right - Jeannie II was never fully developed as a character. True. Then on the other hand though you have to consider that Jeannie (the 'good' Jeannie) has also imprisoned Tony before... recall Episode #39 Who Needs a Green-Eyed Genie? where Jeannie imprisoned Tony in a jail cell all night long... Then of course at the end of Episode #52 There Goes the Best Genie I Ever Had Jeannie puts Tony in her bottle and presumably leaves him there until morning. And in Episode #50 One of Our Bottles Is Missing, Jeannie shrinks Tony and makes him spend the night in a drawer. Of course, it's true that Jeannie never intended to permanently leave Tony stuck... and Jeannie II might have left Tony permanently in the birdcage if he didn't agree to her conditions (and if her Master hadn't intervened)... Yeah - that's a great summation. She might not even be as evil as we'd infer from the episodes... she may just be bitter and venting. If Tony had initially found Jeannie II on that beach, instead of Jeannie, I can imagine Jeannie II basically being a slightly more aggressive version of Jeannie, but usually acting quite similarly to the Jeannie we know and love. |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 16, 2007 13:05:59 GMT -5
"Of course, it's true that Jeannie never intended to permanently leave Tony stuck... and Jeannie II might have left Tony permanently in the birdcage if he didn't agree to her conditions (and if her Master hadn't intervened)..." Yes, exactly... Jeannie never intended to leave Tony in jail for life, whereas Jeannie II would have taken pleasure in keeping him in the birdcage and taking him out at her own free will. "If Tony had initially found Jeannie II on that beach, instead of Jeannie, I can imagine Jeannie II basically being a slightly more aggressive version of Jeannie, but usually acting quite similarly to the Jeannie we know and love." Well, I actually don't know about that. I think Jeannie II would be far more aggressive and even more possessive of Tony than Jeannie was... and I can certainly see Tony getting into a hell of a lot more trouble than he had with Jeannie, and I think Jeannie II would have refused to keep her existence a secret... I think she'd want to meet Dr. Bellows and then get him into a lot of hot water too... and you can most certainly bet that Tony would never be in love with her, and there wouldn't be the immediate connection that Jeannie and Tony had right away the second that she came out of that bottle. But, that's just my view on things...  |
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Post by Subspace on Feb 16, 2007 15:57:55 GMT -5
Yes, exactly... Jeannie never intended to leave Tony in jail for life, whereas Jeannie II would have taken pleasure in keeping him in the birdcage and taking him out at her own free will. Yeap. Based on what we did see... yes, your view as outlined above is probably the most correct for how Jeannie II would behave. But I was hypothesizing that Jeannie II only became the way we saw her as, because of her life experiences. She's definitely not going to be as nice as Jeannie, no matter what, but the question is how bad she'd be, if her and Jeannie's positions had been swapped. (This means that Jeannie II'd be stuck in that bottle by the Blue Djinn for 2000 years, etc.) That was one funny image though... your description of Jeannie II/Dr. Alfred Bellows... |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 16, 2007 16:13:27 GMT -5
"Based on what we did see... yes, your view as outlined above is probably the most correct for how Jeannie II would behave. But I was hypothesizing that Jeannie II only became the way we saw her as, because of her life experiences. She's definitely not going to be as nice as Jeannie, no matter what, but the question is how bad she'd be, if her and Jeannie's positions had been swapped. (This means that Jeannie II'd be stuck in that bottle by the Blue Djinn for 2000 years, etc.)"
Oh, OK I see... but I think Jeannie II trapped inside a bottle for 2000 years would be one angry genie!!
"That was one funny image though... your description of Jeannie II/Dr. Alfred Bellows..."
hee hee!
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Post by Subspace on Feb 16, 2007 18:13:54 GMT -5
Oh, OK I see... but I think Jeannie II trapped inside a bottle for 2000 years would be one angry genie!! You know what - you're right. I dunno why I didn't think of that 'small' detail...  |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 16, 2007 23:59:35 GMT -5
Oh, OK I see... but I think Jeannie II trapped inside a bottle for 2000 years would be one angry genie!! You know what - you're right. I dunno why I didn't think of that 'small' detail... Yeah, somehow I think she would be just a little bit bitter...  |
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Post by Subspace on Feb 17, 2007 22:06:59 GMT -5
You know what - you're right. I dunno why I didn't think of that 'small' detail... Yeah, somehow I think she would be just a little bit bitter... Understatement of the century! Or would that be millennium? But yes, you are basically correct, I think. |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 17, 2007 23:03:24 GMT -5
ha ha!!!  |
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Post by Subspace on Feb 18, 2007 16:58:58 GMT -5
ha ha!!! LoL! I put that there due to some of the timescales referred to in IDOJ. |
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Post by theduck on Feb 28, 2007 14:17:16 GMT -5
Ya know I really have to give it up to Barbara on her portrayal of Jeannie II. I mean I never doubt that they are two totally different people. I never think, "Oh that's Barbara playing that part too." I get caught up every time in the character and the story. She did such a great job with Jeannie II. BRAVO Barbara!!
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Post by theduck on Feb 28, 2007 14:21:44 GMT -5
I also got to thinking that Jeannie II maybe didn't so much want "Tony" as she was jealous that Jeannie had a better Master than she did. I think she wanted Jeannie's situation, not so much Tony Nelson.
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 28, 2007 20:22:02 GMT -5
I also got to thinking that Jeannie II maybe didn't so much want "Tony" as she was jealous that Jeannie had a better Master than she did. I think she wanted Jeannie's situation, not so much Tony Nelson. The Duck I think Barbara did a terrific job of playing her too. I think Jeannie II certainly did envy Jeannie's situation, and how if she were in Jeannie's situation how much more fun she would make it if it were her in Jeannie's life. But I still think she had quite a big thing for Tony... she started creating problems for Jeannie and Tony the minute she knew how handsome Tony was by seeing his picture... maybe she wouldn't have been so eager to create such havoc if Tony hadn't been so darn good looking. |
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Post by Subspace on Mar 4, 2007 18:57:18 GMT -5
I also got to thinking that Jeannie II maybe didn't so much want "Tony" as she was jealous that Jeannie had a better Master than she did. I think she wanted Jeannie's situation, not so much Tony Nelson. The Duck I think Barbara did a terrific job of playing her too. I think Jeannie II certainly did envy Jeannie's situation, and how if she were in Jeannie's situation how much more fun she would make it if it were her in Jeannie's life. But I still think she had quite a big thing for Tony... she started creating problems for Jeannie and Tony the minute she knew how handsome Tony was by seeing his picture... maybe she wouldn't have been so eager to create such havoc if Tony hadn't been so darn good looking. I tend to agree. Jeannie II did have a big 'thing' for Tony, too, just, if she had been allowed to do as she pleased, it wouldn't have been really, shall we say, 'healthy' for Tony... |
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