Physical Relationship *Adult Content*

[rythmicjea]

I apologize in advance if this isn't allowed on the boards.

Okay, so in episode 4 The Marriage Caper (if this isn't the one it's around this episode) the end of the show goes

Tony: I'm going to spend the weekend with a bottle
Roger: That sounds good after the week you've had.

And then Tony's turned into a puff of smoke and transported into Jeannie's bottle. Being a "swinging 60's bachlor" I want to say it's safe to assume that Jeannie and Tony's relationship got a lot more intimate than what is being shown. I was just wondering if anyone thought this as well.

I want to think that their relationship stayed...wholesome...but my boyfriend is like "It's the 60's! He has a sexy girl who does everything for him, why wouldn't he?"

[jeannietonyfan]

Well, personally I've always had a hard time accepting that... although Season 1 was very different from the rest of the series. They implied a lot more. But Larry Hagman said himself that his character wasn't one to succumb to Jeannie's charms in that way because he was an astronaut, and took his job very seriously, and didn't want anything to jeopardize that. Although, at the same time, there was the sexual tension of the series that kept the show going, which people feel was destroyed when they were married and they could be intimate.
So, I don't know, I would say that it was certainly implied but I like to think as well that they were never "together" until they were married.

[rythmicjea]

lol! Oh Maj. Nelson can be so funny sometimes...

I mean, think about it. Larry Hagman says that Tony would never do that because he cares about his job too much, yet everytime Jeannie gets in a party dress unexpectedly he falls for her completely. He would do anything she asked him to at that point.

And I don't want to think about them going too far in some shows but I like to accept some "plan B" action happened. And my boyfriend does have a point; "Free Love" and the sexual revolution was all the rage. Tony even coached Roger how to go to "Plan C" with a "Shy girl". Would a man worried about his carreer as an astronaut do that? I don't think sooo...

Though yes, Season 1 is very different than the other four seasons I think that season 3 & 4 emulates Season 1 with more slapstick and eposodic storylines. You can even see in the second half of season 1 going the route season 2 did but there are still those questionable moments.

Conclusion: I think it's up to the fanficer's of the world to create.

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jeannietonyfan said:

Well, personally I've always had a hard time accepting that... although Season 1 was very different from the rest of the series. They implied a lot more. But Larry Hagman said himself that his character wasn't one to succumb to Jeannie's charms in that way because he was an astronaut, and took his job very seriously, and didn't want anything to jeopardize that. Although, at the same time, there was the sexual tension of the series that kept the show going, which people feel was destroyed when they were married and they could be intimate.
So, I don't know, I would say that it was certainly implied but I like to think as well that they were never "together" until they were married.

I agree. Season 1 was basically the most 'romantic' season of IDOJ, and a lot was implied in Season 1 that wasn't implied in Season 2 or later seasons. (I'm not counting the post-marriage Season 5 episodes, but then that didn't need to be implied, right? ) Most likely the writers of Episode 4 wanted to make the exact implication rythmicjea's boyfriend picked up... I guess that's why they wrote what they wrote at the end of that episode. In later seasons and episodes, writers changed, the series turned into a less romantic, more slapstick kind of series, and some previous implications were just left hanging.

Or at least that's the out-of-universe/actual explanation.

In-universe, though, given Tony and Jeannie's behavior in later seasons and episodes, I'd guess Tony and Jeannie never had intimate relations until after they were married. Tony doesn't seem like the sort of guy that'd go so far with Jeannie and still look at/consider/go out with other girls so easily.

[jeannietonyfan]

Tony doesn't seem like the sort of guy that'd go so far with Jeannie and still look at/consider/go out with other girls so easily.

You know that's a really good point that never really crossed my mind until you mention it... you never fail to broaden my mind Subspace! hee hee

Yeah, Tony was basically the guy of the show who always did the "right thing"... so I don't think he would have been intimate that way with Jeannie and then go out with other girls, or look at them in that way. If Tony and Jeannie were "together", it was going to be for keeps, and they were going to only be with and involved with each other.

In fact, I always kinda thought that it was out of character for Tony when he did look at girls semi-seriously during the show (although one could argue that he never really did)... I mean who would need to look any further than this gorgeous woman who obviously adored him, and he adoring her back? I never liked it, it always made me feel like he was "cheating" on Jeannie.

But then I think to the episode in Season 5 "Eternally Yours, Jeannie" when Jeannie finds out about Tony's high school love and then Tony thinks Jeannie has disguised herself as the high school sweetheart whereas it's actually the high school sweetheart (I can't remember her name)... anyway he says to who he thinks is Jeannie that he loves her, he's never loved anyone else, and he doesn't plan on loving anyone else for the rest of his life. It's said so quickly and it's a shame that he wasn't actually saying it to Jeannie because it's so lovely... and that statement means that he never loved Melissa (even before Jeannie came into the picture), he's always loved Jeannie, and he's never loved and never will love anyone else but Jeannie for his entire life. A very nice moment and easy to miss if you're just seeing it for the first time, but that to me represents Tony's real feelings and where he's really stood for the whole series.

[rythmicjea]

jeannietonyfan said:

Yeah, Tony was basically the guy of the show who always did the "right thing"... so I don't think he would have been intimate that way with Jeannie and then go out with other girls, or look at them in that way. If Tony and Jeannie were "together", it was going to be for keeps, and they were going to only be with and involved with each other.

Ah but he has been in other relationships in the show that obviously got more intimate than him and Jeannie did before they were married. Like "Tony Bunny" girl. She implied some pretty potent going ons in their past.

In fact, I always kinda thought that it was out of character for Tony when he did look at girls semi-seriously during the show (although one could argue that he never really did)... I mean who would need to look any further than this gorgeous woman who obviously adored him, and he adoring her back? I never liked it, it always made me feel like he was "cheating" on Jeannie.

I think that's how the writers set it up that we should feel sad that he's looking/dating other girls. But Jeannie said that she doesn't mind if he goes to dinner with other girls. Where she's from that's the norm. She just wants to be the first wife and make it clear that no one can come before her, but after her is okay.

But then I think to the episode in Season 5 "Eternally Yours, Jeannie" when Jeannie finds out about Tony's high school love and then Tony thinks Jeannie has disguised herself as the high school sweetheart whereas it's actually the high school sweetheart (I can't remember her name)... anyway he says to who he thinks is Jeannie that he loves her, he's never loved anyone else, and he doesn't plan on loving anyone else for the rest of his life. It's said so quickly and it's a shame that he wasn't actually saying it to Jeannie because it's so lovely... and that statement means that he never loved Melissa (even before Jeannie came into the picture), he's always loved Jeannie, and he's never loved and never will love anyone else but Jeannie for his entire life. A very nice moment and easy to miss if you're just seeing it for the first time, but that to me represents Tony's real feelings and where he's really stood for the whole series.

I have to agree. And weren't they married by that point? Or is that right before? But I love it when he confesses his love for Jeannie. To me it makes her more and more real. She's an entity and thinks she's real but everyone else doesn't. To them she's fictional. But everytime Tony says "I love you" or shows how he cares for her, she becomes more and more real to everyone around them.

[jeannietonyfan]

rythmicjea said:

Ah but he has been in other relationships in the show that obviously got more intimate than him and Jeannie did before they were married. Like "Tony Bunny" girl. She implied some pretty potent going ons in their past.

Yes, but that is before Jeannie... after Jeannie I think his viewpoint changed... he definitely wasn't intimate with anyone else once Jeannie came around...

I think that's how the writers set it up that we should feel sad that he's looking/dating other girls. But Jeannie said that she doesn't mind if he goes to dinner with other girls. Where she's from that's the norm. She just wants to be the first wife and make it clear that no one can come before her, but after her is okay.

Yes, I think we are supposed to feel sad too. But Jeannie might say she doesn't mind, but she most definitely DOES mind... that's why she puts Tony in jail for a night, turns his date into a monkey! Those aren't the actions of someone who is OK with Tony going on a date with someone else.

I have to agree. And weren't they married by that point? Or is that right before? But I love it when he confesses his love for Jeannie. To me it makes her more and more real. She's an entity and thinks she's real but everyone else doesn't. To them she's fictional. But everytime Tony says "I love you" or shows how he cares for her, she becomes more and more real to everyone around them.

Yes, they were married by this point... it was one of the final shows. And I completely agree that when Tony says he loves her, she becomes more real, and more real to everybody else, especially Roger. He realizes she's more than just a genie, she's a person with feelings, and should be treated as such.

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jeannietonyfan said:

You know that's a really good point that never really crossed my mind until you mention it... you never fail to broaden my mind Subspace! hee hee

Hehe, thanks, I'm flattered to hear that!

Yeah, Tony was basically the guy of the show who always did the "right thing"... so I don't think he would have been intimate that way with Jeannie and then go out with other girls, or look at them in that way. If Tony and Jeannie were "together", it was going to be for keeps, and they were going to only be with and involved with each other.

Yup, I think so too.

In fact, I always kinda thought that it was out of character for Tony when he did look at girls semi-seriously during the show (although one could argue that he never really did)... I mean who would need to look any further than this gorgeous woman who obviously adored him, and he adoring her back? I never liked it, it always made me feel like he was "cheating" on Jeannie.

You know, I don't think he really wanted to look at other girls most of the time, after he met Jeannie and they started getting to know each other better (i.e. after the first few episodes of Season 1)... in many episodes, in many ways, you can see how Tony is really (unconsciously maybe) devoted to Jeannie, and doesn't really want to date other girls. I think occasionally he still had hang-ups about getting involved with a Genie so he goes on dates with other girls to 'prove' (mostly to himself) that he's still a 'free' man and he's not tied up with Jeannie, and other times he does it at Roger's insistence. (Have you seen how persistent Roger can be in getting Tony to go out on dates? It happens a whole lot.)

And of course there are times when he (temporarily) falls for pretty girls... he's just a man after all. (Do emphasize temporarily though, for example he was all excited about Bootsie Nightingale, but after all was said and done, by the next morning he wasn't all that upset at what Jeannie did to Bootsie. Probably because like Roger, he was physically attracted to Bootsie (who wouldn't be?) but, unlike Roger, that wasn't enough to make him want to spend the rest of his life with her. Bootsie was just a girl but Jeannie was his Jeannie!)

But over all I think he was pretty smitten with Jeannie, whether he admitted it out loud (or even to himself) or not, from pretty much day one.

But then I think to the episode in Season 5 "Eternally Yours, Jeannie" when Jeannie finds out about Tony's high school love and then Tony thinks Jeannie has disguised herself as the high school sweetheart whereas it's actually the high school sweetheart (I can't remember her name)... anyway he says to who he thinks is Jeannie that he loves her, he's never loved anyone else, and he doesn't plan on loving anyone else for the rest of his life. It's said so quickly and it's a shame that he wasn't actually saying it to Jeannie because it's so lovely... and that statement means that he never loved Melissa (even before Jeannie came into the picture), he's always loved Jeannie, and he's never loved and never will love anyone else but Jeannie for his entire life. A very nice moment and easy to miss if you're just seeing it for the first time, but that to me represents Tony's real feelings and where he's really stood for the whole series.

Yes, would have been so sweet if he'd actually been saying it to Jeannie. But I'm sure Jeannie always knew how he felt about her; she's not a dumb Genie, and if Tony wasn't just as devoted to her, deep down, as she was to Tony, she wouldn't have loved Tony that much.

As for being said quickly - well, that's Tony for you! Reference his scene in Tony's Wife or even his marriage proposal to Jeannie. Always the romantic, that's for sure.

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jeannietonyfan said:

Yes, but that is before Jeannie... after Jeannie I think his viewpoint changed... he definitely wasn't intimate with anyone else once Jeannie came around...

Exactly! I agree with jeannietonyfan. For example in Tony's Wife Jeannie was literally throwing a girl at Tony that Tony admitted multiple times was a very pretty girl from his POV. The girl obviously adored Tony (heck, she said as much!) and if Tony had wanted to 'score' with her, so to speak, I'm sure he could have. (He didn't even have a jealous Jeannie to worry about!) But he didn't. He told Jeannie he thought they (i.e. he and Jeannie) had something, and later wanted Jeannie to accompany them when he drove the girl home. Definitely not the actions of someone looking to get intimate with someone else...

Yes, I think we are supposed to feel sad too. But Jeannie might say she doesn't mind, but she most definitely DOES mind... that's why she puts Tony in jail for a night, turns his date into a monkey! Those aren't the actions of someone who is OK with Tony going on a date with someone else.

Oh, yes, she definitely minds a lot. That's why she gets terrifically jealous whenever Tony has to take some other girl/woman out, even if it's supposedly on NASA business. If she didn't care, she'd never be jealous, and a lot of episodes wouldn't have a plot.

Yes, they were married by this point... it was one of the final shows. And I completely agree that when Tony says he loves her, she becomes more real, and more real to everybody else, especially Roger. He realizes she's more than just a genie, she's a person with feelings, and should be treated as such.

Absolutely. I think Roger after finding out she was a Genie suddenly stopped thinking of her as a person with feelings and rights. The more Tony demonstrates his love for Jeannie, the more 'human' she becomes in everyone else's eyes.

[jeannietonyfan]

subspace said:

Hehe, thanks, I'm flattered to hear that!

I'm glad you're flattered!

You know, I don't think he really wanted to look at other girls most of the time, after he met Jeannie and they started getting to know each other better (i.e. after the first few episodes of Season 1)... in many episodes, in many ways, you can see how Tony is really (unconsciously maybe) devoted to Jeannie, and doesn't really want to date other girls. I think occasionally he still had hang-ups about getting involved with a Genie so he goes on dates with other girls to 'prove' (mostly to himself) that he's still a 'free' man and he's not tied up with Jeannie, and other times he does it at Roger's insistence. (Have you seen how persistent Roger can be in getting Tony to go out on dates? It happens a whole lot.)

Yep, I completely agree with that! And yes, Roger was very persistent and when Roger was so pushy that's really one of the only times he would go out with other girls... that Roger... never one to give someone his personal space! hee hee...

Probably because like Roger, he was physically attracted to Bootsie (who wouldn't be?) but, unlike Roger, that wasn't enough to make him want to spend the rest of his life with her. Bootsie was just a girl but Jeannie was his Jeannie!)

Yes, exactly!

But over all I think he was pretty smitten with Jeannie, whether he admitted it out loud (or even to himself) or not, from pretty much day one.

Absolutely... he was in love with her (whether or not he wanted to admit it)... the minute she came out of the bottle for the first time.

Yes, would have been so sweet if he'd actually been saying it to Jeannie. But I'm sure Jeannie always knew how he felt about her; she's not a dumb Genie, and if Tony wasn't just as devoted to her, deep down, as she was to Tony, she wouldn't have loved Tony that much.

Yes, very true.

As for being said quickly - well, that's Tony for you! Reference his scene in Tony's Wife or even his marriage proposal to Jeannie. Always the romantic, that's for sure.

Yeah, he was pretty quick in the romantic moments sometimes, and he seemed tense when he kissed her sometimes too... took the passion out of it sometimes I'm afraid...

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jeannietonyfan said:

Yep, I completely agree with that! And yes, Roger was very persistent and when Roger was so pushy that's really one of the only times he would go out with other girls... that Roger... never one to give someone his personal space! hee hee...

LoL, yup. Roger's definitely not the kind of guy to step back.

Absolutely... he was in love with her (whether or not he wanted to admit it)... the minute she came out of the bottle for the first time.

Definitely. And that is what made Season 1 so adorable... the romantic part of the comedy. It's something I wish had not been dropped in Seasons 2 - 4. Don't get me wrong, the slapstick was very funny too and I thought it was a good thing to introduce, but they should have kept some of the romance!

Yeah, he was pretty quick in the romantic moments sometimes, and he seemed tense when he kissed her sometimes too... took the passion out of it sometimes I'm afraid...

Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess it was part of his personality, though... not the kind of person that goes for any 'mushy' stuff.

[jeannietonyfan]

subspace said:

Definitely. And that is what made Season 1 so adorable... the romantic part of the comedy. It's something I wish had not been dropped in Seasons 2 - 4. Don't get me wrong, the slapstick was very funny too and I thought it was a good thing to introduce, but they should have kept some of the romance!

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I think they gained some of that romance back in the third season, and then kind of lost it again in the fourth season, and then got it back in the 5th season, but the passion and tension was not the same because they knew they had each other for forever, so the love was there, but it was a "married love"... not the very romantic moments that Season 1 had. Too bad they couldn't have had more of a balance between the slapstick and the romance, because Season 1 was in need of slapstick, but then Season 2, for example, was in need of romance! Even though it's one of my favourite seasons, they only kiss once or twice that whole year!

Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess it was part of his personality, though... not the kind of person that goes for any 'mushy' stuff.

Yeah, I suppose so.

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jeannietonyfan said:

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I think they gained some of that romance back in the third season, and then kind of lost it again in the fourth season, and then got it back in the 5th season, but the passion and tension was not the same because they knew they had each other for forever, so the love was there, but it was a "married love"... not the very romantic moments that Season 1 had. Too bad they couldn't have had more of a balance between the slapstick and the romance, because Season 1 was in need of slapstick, but then Season 2, for example, was in need of romance! Even though it's one of my favourite seasons, they only kiss once or twice that whole year!

That sums it up perfectly! Season 1 could have used some slapstick and Seasons 2 and 4 could have used some romance. They did indeed gain a bit of the romantic touches in Season 3 but even there there could have been just a bit more. And I agree about the Season 5 love being a "married love" and somehow not as "fiery" or "passionate" as the Season 1 impulsive affectionate moments.

[jeannietonyfan]

subspace said:

That sums it up perfectly! Season 1 could have used some slapstick and Seasons 2 and 4 could have used some romance. They did indeed gain a bit of the romantic touches in Season 3 but even there there could have been just a bit more. And I agree about the Season 5 love being a "married love" and somehow not as "fiery" or "passionate" as the Season 1 impulsive affectionate moments.

Yeah, the Season 3 romantic moments are a lot more understated. And yes unfortunately the Season 5 episodes present them sometimes as a boring married couple. I think they definitely could have overcome that though, if there had been a 6th season.

[suzie]

But then I think to the episode in Season 5 "Eternally Yours, Jeannie" when Jeannie finds out about Tony's high school love and then Tony thinks Jeannie has disguised herself as the high school sweetheart whereas it's actually the high school sweetheart (I can't remember her name)... anyway he says to who he thinks is Jeannie that he loves her, he's never loved anyone else, and he doesn't plan on loving anyone else for the rest of his life. It's said so quickly and it's a shame that he wasn't actually saying it to Jeannie because it's so lovely... and that statement means that he never loved Melissa (even before Jeannie came into the picture), he's always loved Jeannie, and he's never loved and never will love anyone else but Jeannie for his entire life. A very nice moment and easy to miss if you're just seeing it for the first time, but that to me represents Tony's real feelings and where he's really stood for the whole series.

I have to agree with the above. What's implied when Tony says this is that although he probably thought he was in love with Melissa and his high school sweetheart, he never knew what real love was until he knew Jeannie. To romanticise this idea even further, consider 'Romeo & Juliet'. Before Romeo meets Juliet he's pining away over the love he thinks he feels for Rosaline. He goes to the Capulet party to see Rosaline but instead sees Juliet and immediately falls for her, causing him to say "Have I ever known love before this night." He thought he had until he encountered the real thing.

OK, so Tony and Jeannie are hardly Romeo and Juliet but the same principle applies.