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Post by thejasoomian on Jan 24, 2007 21:22:35 GMT -5
I was wondering what everybody here thought about Tony and Jeannie getting married on the show? Larry and Barbara obviously thought it was a big mistake from interviews I've seen with the two of them. Okay I know I'm really going to be in the minority about this but here goes -- I REALLY LIKED IT! I think you can only go so long before the inevitable has to happen. Some of my favorite episodes are from when they were married. So I give it a "hit" and please let me know your thoughts.
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Jan 24, 2007 23:03:58 GMT -5
I love the 5th season! To me the show wouldn't have been complete if they hadn't gotten together. They were meant for each other. Many of my favourite episodes are when they are engaged and when they are married. One thing I didn't like about it however is somehow the dynamic between Tony and Jeannie changed... it's almost as if they couldn't be a "fun couple" anymore because now they were married. Something was different, and I have been trying for a long time to try to figure out what exactly it was. Yes, Barbara, Larry, and Bill were against it, and I can see why they would have thought this way, because the dynamic of the show definitely changed, but I'm glad that we got to see the "married side" of Tony and Jeannie before they went off the air. The show wouldn't have felt complete without it.
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Post by Subspace on Feb 4, 2007 15:18:56 GMT -5
I love the 5th season! To me the show wouldn't have been complete if they hadn't gotten together. They were meant for each other. Many of my favourite episodes are when they are engaged and when they are married. One thing I didn't like about it however is somehow the dynamic between Tony and Jeannie changed... it's almost as if they couldn't be a "fun couple" anymore because now they were married. Something was different, and I have been trying for a long time to try to figure out what exactly it was. Yes, Barbara, Larry, and Bill were against it, and I can see why they would have thought this way, because the dynamic of the show definitely changed, but I'm glad that we got to see the "married side" of Tony and Jeannie before they went off the air. The show wouldn't have felt complete without it. I agree. It's great that they were 'officially' married in the show before it ended. I felt that after they were married, the writers sort of became more cautious about writing Tony and Jeannie's characters (to make sure they were portraying them as network-acceptable married characters) and ended up portraying a more... dull/stuffy couple. I thought that was a writers' mistake, not an inherent flaw in having Tony and Jeannie be married. |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Feb 4, 2007 16:23:18 GMT -5
Exactly Subspace! They were so cute and carefree together in the first 4 seasons and then they had to be married. It was a writer's mistake... I think had they kept the characters more similar to the way they had been that the show could have gone on longer than it did.
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Post by Subspace on Feb 4, 2007 23:34:53 GMT -5
Exactly Subspace! They were so cute and carefree together in the first 4 seasons and then they had to be married. It was a writer's mistake... I think had they kept the characters more similar to the way they had been that the show could have gone on longer than it did. I don't know... if they had kept the characters more similar to the way they had previously acted and behaved, the show could have had a great Season 6 and even a fantastic Season 7. With the way they were portraying the characters post-wedding, though, I can see that if they stuck with that portrayal, any Season 6 that would be made would be quite dull (relatively speaking). Still, that wasn't the be-all and end-all; rumor has it that the network had, unofficially, decided before Season 5 even began to cancel the show at the end of Season 5. They pushed and forced the writers, actors, and Sidney Sheldon (the creator) to have Tony and Jeannie married in the show in Season 5; the cast and crew were extremely reluctant to marry Tony and Jeannie and only did so after the network threatened cancellation after Season 5 if Tony and Jeannie weren't married in that season. The crew later figured by putting 2 and 2 together from some observations and rumors that the network had already decided to cancel the series anyway and just wanted to have Tony and Jeannie married before the series ended. Well, to paraphrase, Tony and Jeannie were married, the network got a lot of press and publicity, and then cancelled the show. Quite unfortunately, for all IDOJ fans. |
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Post by rythmicjea on Mar 18, 2007 23:37:19 GMT -5
Still, that wasn't the be-all and end-all; rumor has it that the network had, unofficially, decided before Season 5 even began to cancel the show at the end of Season 5. They pushed and forced the writers, actors, and Sidney Sheldon (the creator) to have Tony and Jeannie married in the show in Season 5; the cast and crew were extremely reluctant to marry Tony and Jeannie and only did so after the network threatened cancellation after Season 5 if Tony and Jeannie weren't married in that season. The crew later figured by putting 2 and 2 together from some observations and rumors that the network had already decided to cancel the series anyway and just wanted to have Tony and Jeannie married before the series ended. Well, to paraphrase, Tony and Jeannie were married, the network got a lot of press and publicity, and then cancelled the show. Quite unfortunately, for all IDOJ fans. I heard that rumor too. And I agree, after reading Larry Hagman's autobiography, I honestly believe that's what happened. However, we have to remember at what time period the show was on. There weren't a lot of shows that lasted for more than IDOJ did. Like "Get Smart" I LOVE that show! There was a lot of sexual tension and then they got married and then the show was cancelled. When sexual tension happened like that the sure-fire way to end the show was to make the couple get married. Unfortunately that's why "Bewitched" was able to last because they were married on the first episode (However, they kept recycling storylines as the years went on and wasn't all that interesting in the first place.) And there were a lot of political events going on at the same time. Vietnam for one. Why wasn't Tony in Vietnam at all? He obviously would have gone over, since the draft happened. But there is also the argument that TV really didn't mirror real life like it does today (excluding MASH). But having Tony over in Vietnam while Jeannie is at home would be a GREAT fanfic (if written properly). I have yet to read the Jeannie Sister's work but I don't know if I could. I don't know if I want to read a post-season 5 storyline. I mean there were two movies made after it and look how badly they sucked! (There's always a place in my heart for ISDoJ but come-on! Who doesn't have a horribly bad movie that has so many consistancy problems and cheesy effects?!) But that's my two sense. |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Mar 19, 2007 7:56:51 GMT -5
Wow I never thought about Tony having to go over to Vietnam... that would be a good fanfic idea! But I like how they left that whole horrible episode in history out of the show... I think that people needed a diversion during those years, and IDOJ would have been a great escapist show during that time.
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Post by hab101 on Mar 20, 2007 17:35:49 GMT -5
I've never seen anything past season 3 yet, so I can't state any opinion's towards the quality of season 5 episodes, but I think it might have been neat if the show slowed down and turned into a more "The Andy Griffith Show" style show. Jeannie and Tony could have a kid, and they would raise him normally and just have some good parenting episode's. To keep thing's funny though, the kid would be spoiled rotton due to Jeannie's powers creating funny situations. For example, the child want's to play soccer and sais "I wish I had a soccer pitch", and low and behold, a soccer field arrive's in there backyard. Who walks in? Why Doctor Bellows of-course!
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Post by rythmicjea on Mar 20, 2007 20:30:57 GMT -5
Wow I never thought about Tony having to go over to Vietnam... that would be a good fanfic idea! But I like how they left that whole horrible episode in history out of the show... I think that people needed a diversion during those years, and IDOJ would have been a great escapist show during that time. There is one episode that focus's on hippies, when Jeannie turns him into one to escape Dr. Bellows. But that's all of any mention about that subject. And since Vietnam was SUCH a conflict outside of the home, why bring it in? There should be a fanfic section on this forum! I don't know if you write fanfic, but I do and I haven't written any IDOJ I think it would be cool to do a tag team on that Vietnam idea. |
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Post by rythmicjea on Mar 20, 2007 20:40:23 GMT -5
I've never seen anything past season 3 yet, so I can't state any opinion's towards the quality of season 5 episodes, but I think it might have been neat if the show slowed down and turned into a more "The Andy Griffith Show" style show. Jeannie and Tony could have a kid, and they would raise him normally and just have some good parenting episode's. To keep thing's funny though, the kid would be spoiled rotton due to Jeannie's powers creating funny situations. For example, the child want's to play soccer and sais "I wish I had a soccer pitch", and low and behold, a soccer field arrive's in there backyard. Who walks in? Why Doctor Bellows of-course! Ah, see at Season 3 everyone thinks the show will go on forever because it starts picking up where the first half of season 1 left off. le sigh... Though I would have LOVED to have a season 6 and more I don't really see it fitting in with the IDOJ universe. It's not like "Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman". That show was made for the two to get married and to see after what happens but low and behold once it happened the show got canceled. To me anymore IDOJ seasons would be too much like "Bewitched". Jeannie wants to use her powers to help Tony but Tony doesn't let her, then plot and "hilarity" ensue. The difference between the pre-marriage seasons and what would be the post-marriage would be that NO ONE but Roger knows about Jeannie. If Jeannie was doing what she normally does around people that know her it's too much of a risk. Though it could be funny; Dr. Bellows would find out too easily. He didn't find out before because he didn't know Jeannie existed now that he knows he knows what to look for. This is one of the reasons why I couldn't bring myself to read the Jeannie Sister's after season fics. I'm sure they're good but I just don't agree with the subject matter. |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Mar 20, 2007 20:40:24 GMT -5
I've never seen anything past season 3 yet, so I can't state any opinion's towards the quality of season 5 episodes, but I think it might have been neat if the show slowed down and turned into a more "The Andy Griffith Show" style show. Jeannie and Tony could have a kid, and they would raise him normally and just have some good parenting episode's. To keep thing's funny though, the kid would be spoiled rotton due to Jeannie's powers creating funny situations. For example, the child want's to play soccer and sais "I wish I had a soccer pitch", and low and behold, a soccer field arrive's in there backyard. Who walks in? Why Doctor Bellows of-course! Yeah having that kind of stuff with the kids go on would have been great! I don't know about slowing the pace down though... one of the reasons the show lasted so long I think was the fast pace, and Larry and Bill said they kept the speed up to hide the fact that the scripts were the same over and over again... but if the scripts had improved they might have had the chance to let the show become more about the family than the fast pace... hard to say.  |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Mar 20, 2007 20:42:52 GMT -5
Yep, exactly, there wasn't a need to, and it would have had the audiences of the time escaping being able to believe for a little while that there was no such thing as the Vietnam War.
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Post by rythmicjea on Mar 20, 2007 22:20:17 GMT -5
Yep, exactly, there wasn't a need to, and it would have had the audiences of the time escaping being able to believe for a little while that there was no such thing as the Vietnam War. |
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Post by jeannietonyfan on Mar 20, 2007 22:38:58 GMT -5
Yep, exactly, there wasn't a need to, and it would have had the audiences of the time escaping being able to believe for a little while that there was no such thing as the Vietnam War. Yes, it is odd... and scary I think. Our society is caught up in "reality" shows and seeing real events (even though they're not), and as a result, I think our society is losing the ability to escape into another world. The sitcom is a fastly dying breed because of it, and I think that's very sad, because good escapist old-fashioned sitcoms are what we desperately need right now! |
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Post by rythmicjea on Mar 21, 2007 18:30:51 GMT -5
Yes, it is odd... and scary I think. Our society is caught up in "reality" shows and seeing real events (even though they're not), and as a result, I think our society is losing the ability to escape into another world. The sitcom is a fastly dying breed because of it, and I think that's very sad, because good escapist old-fashioned sitcoms are what we desperately need right now!
But I would rather not see how many cow testicles a person can eat. Or how many people starve themselves to "survive", not to mention the way the media says that women need better role models yet they insist on contest shows for size -0 models.
To me this also leads into movies. If I see another trailer for a horror movie I'm going to scream! It seems that no matter the type of movie, suspense and horror has leaked so much into our subconscious we're looking for the tragedy in a comedy because we expect it now. Horror is now about how much blood can come out of a person, at least 30 years ago there was SOME semblance of a storyline. And if you watch trailer now, for regular drama's they have an inkling of horror to bring the masses. Sometimes I'm scared to watch a movie that's not a comedy because I don't want to be tricked into something I don't want to see. |
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